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Also, what gives me rage [is that] back here, we had a tower, the first church of all Potosí: San Francisco el Chico. That was destroyed by this crap government. René Joaquino is the one who made our tower, the first church of Potosí, collapse. Because he wanted to restore it, then he could not restore it, because at that time it rained hard. So he dug trenches around the tower, and the water filled them. Then when it had soaked for one night in there, it fell. Here, for example, in our little church, Calvario: who wanted to wreck it? Evo. Why? Because representative Benito Ramos lives here behind the church. What did he want to do? Take out the church. What for? To get himself a car garage.

And who opposed it? I am the first; I opposed it. I ran around everywhere to my people. I mobilised them. I told them that we cannot lose our church. This is our market, and I wanted to make it a little square. Why do we want our little square? This is our source of work. Where were we going to sell? Where would we be? Tell me. So we didn’t want it. We ran; we threw things; we wanted to hang him. But of course, it had to happen. Because if he wants to do it, he says, “It’s going to go like this.” It seems that Evo does not believe in the churches. He does not know how to cross [himself]. But that does not interest us. The problem is that he wanted to make the church disappear, for the MAS. – Doña Carmen

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