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From what I see, the tourist agencies earn a few bucks, don’t they? I had a friend who brought the tourists up. He told me before, “When it’s the tourist season,” he said, “we earn good money.” But there are also times when the tourism is low, aren’t there? He would come with ten, with 15, with five, with three, with two. It seems to me that many agencies have deals. For example, [my friend] had a landlord from Calvario. [He] had his free coca, free alcohol, and then he took the gringos and paid less. That part benefits the agencies, doesn’t it? A craftsperson can maybe benefit – someone could buy something. Those that benefit least are the people who see nothing of the tourism trade.

No, no, no, I don’t think we [miners] would benefit. [The tours are] being administered by the federation of cooperatives. I don’t think that we benefit directly. We can benefit from an ounce of coca and half a litre of alcohol – no more than that. People sometimes don’t know, do they, which is a heritage [site]. At least if you ask a grandfather what is heritage, he’s going to know, isn’t he? But you must also realise that too many people do not. The title that they are giving us, what is it? It does not have much importance, let’s say. Because what benefits can it bring us as a citizen here? I don’t know nothing like that. So then, no, you’re not going to miss it. – Amilcar